Brad Keselowski credits Toyota collaboration with success, but Denny Hamlin says it doesn’t come free

Brad Keselowski’s Ford Mustang is prepared for NASCAR Cup Series practice Friday, July 3, at Chicagoland Speedway.

By Eric Young

During a media appearance at the Chicagoland Speedway Friday, Brad Keselowski, part owner of RFK Racing, credited the collaboration between Toyota teams with the success they have been seeing on the track. 

He especially pointed to the collaboration between Joe Gibbs Racing and 23Xi. 

Keselowski said a change occurred around 2020 to 2021 where the sport shifted behind the scenes after the success of Furniture Row Racing, which won a championship with Martin Truex Jr. in 2017 and shut down due to lack of sponsorship at the end of the following season. He said the engineering was “taken away from the teams based on rules and procedures and given to the manufacturers.”

He said it created a shift that prevented another team from coming in like Furniture Row and seeing success. 

“I think those rules were targeted exactly at Furniture Row and the fact that they came in and they were successful,” Keselowski said. “They spent a ton of money and they went away, and kind of the dialogue at that time was that that’s not good. There were comments that Furniture Row bought a championship. I don’t feel that way, although I do feel like they spent a lot of money. So the rules and all the things behind the scenes got altered and pushed in such a way as to prevent that from possibly happening again, and I think that’s where we are right now.”

He said the unintended consequence of that was the creation of a stalemate between organizations, with the manufacturers then deciding their favorite teams based on that, with the top teams getting the most manufacturer support. But now, he said, Toyota is shaking up that model, which has given them an advantage. 

“They’ve recognized that stalemate is not necessarily good for the sport, or for them as an OEM, and they’ve done a lot of things to push elite collaboration amongst their top organizations so that they have, for reference, two kind of A organizations rather than an A, B, or C,” he said. “As I’ve seen to date, the other OEMs have not done that. And Toyota is making them pay for that with results on the racetrack. They deserve credit for that.”

During his media availability a few minutes later, Denny Hamlin, who owns 23Xi and drives for Joe Gibbs Racing, acknowledged the collaboration, but that it’s not coming from the manufacturer insomuch as it’s coming from the teams. 

“I certainly think Toyota has a role in it, but I don’t know that Toyota’s that much different than the other manufacturers,” Hamlin said. “We just, we pay a fee. So that’s the difference. It’s not like Toyota forces us to work together, we chose to be affiliated with Joe Gibbs Racing, and for us, we felt like it would shorten up our learning curve, get us competitive quicker. And now it’s a relationship that, I mean, we still pay. But the relationship definitely goes back and forth. There’s certainly information going both ways through that tunnel, so it works in that kind of way. But it’s not something that’s forced by the manufacturers.”

Hamlin said while that alliance isn’t exactly necessary, “it doesn’t hurt.”

“It’s a benefit, but it’s something that, it’s not for free,” Hamlin said. “I think it’s a really good deal for Joe Gibbs Racing, because you get paid and you get some information, and then for us, it allows us to hire a lot less people. We could take the money and just hire a lot less people, but then is that the best way to do it, to have two organizations spending the same money on the same thing and likely getting the same answer? That’s not the best way to stack your resources, I wouldn’t think.”

But he added that collaboration is not the only reason for the success of Toyota teams, currently. 

Keselowski said it’s up to Ford and Chevrolet to react to what Toyota is doing, and so far that hasn’t seemed to happen. 

“I think RFK is doing all the things it needs to do to position itself to be successful if that were to happen, particularly in the Ford camp,” he said. “But at this point, we haven’t seen that level of collaboration at Ford that we see at Toyota. And it creates challenges for the program, and I have not seen from the outside — I’m not inside Chevrolet — the same things there.

“We’re having one of those seasons where it looks like Toyota is going to dominate throughout, and there’s a great argument to be made that they’re winning races in the boardroom with some really great decision making. And they deserve the credit for that success.”

Keselowski said Ford has a new car coming next season, which may help, as it seems to have with Toyota and Chevrolet since the inception of the Next Gen car. 

“So it will be interesting to see where that goes,” he said. “But I think if you’re going to beat Toyota, you have to have at least two elite organizations collaborating at very, very high levels and sharing the elite resources that are specific to the OEM. And I only see Toyota doing that right now.”

He pointed to the season that Joey Logano is having this year as an example of the issues. 

“I think Joey Logano’s a fantastic race car driver,” Keselowski said. “He’s won multiple championships. If you looked at his stat lines this year in kind of a silo, you’d say it’s not been a good year for him, and maybe he’s not an elite race car driver. I don’t think that’s the case. I think that’s crap. I think that the cars aren’t where they need to be, and I feel the same about myself.”

“That’s not a dig at the crew chiefs or the race engineers, but philosophically the sport has changed now where the races are less in the hands of the crew chiefs and the race engineers and more in the hands of the OEMs,” he continued. “I think what I’m trying to say is you’ve got to give credit to Toyota for pushing it to another level and innovating their organizations and being successful and everybody else needs to step up.”

Podcast: SVG’s Sonoma Sweep

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Show notes:

Recap: Sonoma

Cup: Toyota Save Mart 350

  • SVG does what he does
  • Chase Briscoe closes the gap?
  • Hamlin gets Hurricaned. Maybe?

O’Reilly: Pitboss/Foodmaxx 250

  • SVG wins first race of his weekend sweep

Discussion Topics

  • Nada

Checkered flags and black flags

Preview: Chicagoland

  • Weekend Schedule (times are ET):
    • Craftsman Truck Series: OFF
    • O’Reilly Auto Parts Series: O’Reilly Auto Parts Series Race at Chicagoland 300, Saturday, 5:30 p.m., CW
    • Cup Series: eero 400, Sunday, 6 p.m., TNT
  • Cup Picks
    • Eric: Christopher Bell
    • James: Kyle Larson

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Podcast: Heim Time for NASCAR at Coronado 

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Show notes:

Recap: San Diego

Cup: Anduril 250

  • Corey Heim wins first Cup race in 13th start
    • Reddick gives Heim the lead back
    • Heim spins Hocevar
  • Big wreck takes out top contenders
  • Noah Gragson and Kevin Magnussen
  • Brent Crews fills in for Christopher Bell
  • Bubba Wallace

O’Reilly: United Rentals Driven to Serve 250

  • Austin Hill gets emotional RCR victory
  • HUGE wreck
  • Corey Day takes home a manhole cover
  • Sheldon Creed has a visitor
  • Jeremy Clements sets O’Reilly starts record

Trucks: Navy 250

  • Layne VanRiggsbergen wins
  • Tyler Reif
  • Parker Kligerman and Adam Andretti

Discussion Topics

  • Chris Buescher signs extension with RFK
  • Jesse Love to Wood Brothers in 2026
  • Ryan Newman will run a truck for Ram at North Wilkesboro
  • Changes to Cup cars for short tracks

Checkered flags and black flags

Preview: Sonoma

  • Weekend Schedule (times are ET):
    • Craftsman Truck Series: OFF
    • O’Reilly Auto Parts Series: Pitboss/Foodmaxx 250, Saturday, 5:30 p.m., CW
    • Cup Series: Toyota Save Mart 350, Sunday, 3:30 p.m., TNT
  • Cup Picks
    • James: Chase Elliott
    • Eric: Austin Hill

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Podcast: Denny Hamlin goes three in a row at Pocono

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Show notes:

Recap: Pocono

Cup: Great American Getaway 400 presented by VISITPA

  • Denny wins three in a row for the first time in his career
    • Now stands alone in 9th for all time wins
    • Trails Reddick by only 19 points now
  • Pocono was also a sellout

O’Reilly: MillerTech Battery 250 presented by KOA

  • Justin Allgaier wins another one

Trucks: OFF

Discussion Topics

  • Bell broke his wrist in Michigan crash
    • Crash was hardest hit in the nextgen era
  • Josh Berry out of the 21 next year
  • Spot on/Spot off: The new points system has made drivers less aggressive.

Checkered flags and black flags

Preview: Qualcomm Circuit (Coronado)

  • Weekend Schedule (times are ET):
    • Craftsman Truck Series: Navy 250, Friday, 7 p.m., FS1
    • O’Reilly Auto Parts Series:United Rentals Driven to Serve 250, Saturday, 5 p.m., CW
    • Cup Series: Anduril 250, Sunday, 4 p.m., Prime
  • Cup Picks
    • Eric: Ty Gibbs
    • James: Michael McDowell

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Podcast: Denny ties KFB, pays tribute at Michigan

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Show notes:

Recap: Michigan

Cup: FireKeepers Casino 400

  • Denny again comes from the back to win
    • Won the pole originally
    • Now tied with Kyle Busch for 9th in all time Cup Series wins with 63
    • Margin of victory was 11:11
  • Michigan boys finish in the top five
    • Erik Jones finishes second
    • Carson Hocevar finishes fifth
  • Wild race
    • Hocevar causes big one on restart
    • Chase Elliott and Christopher Bell wreck hard
      • Bell to have wrist and ankle evaluated
    • Another big one on the front stretch
  • Michigan asphalt aging. Now one of the best tracks in NASCAR again
  • Race was a sellout

O’Reilly: OFF

Trucks: DQS Solutions and Staffing 250

  • Corey Heim gets another win
    • Has some words about Kaden Honeycut afterward
      • Says Kaden needs to get some thicker skin
  • Frankie Muniz Kris Wrights Kris Wright

Discussion Topics

  • Richard Childress talks to the media
    • Plan was to announce Kyle Busch’s extension with RCR at Michigan
    • Clarifies that RCR is holding the stylized 8 for Brexton if he wants to use it, wherever and whenever, but no pressure to race with RCR, or ever use it. 
    • Austin Hill will drive the 33 for the rest of the season
  • Samantha Busch releases a statement
  • Ned Jarrett dies at 93

Checkered flags and black flags

Preview: Pocono

  • Weekend Schedule (times are ET):
    • Craftsman Truck Series: OFF
    • O’Reilly Auto Parts Series: MillerTech Battery 250 presented by KOA, Saturday, 4 p.m., CW
    • Cup Series: Great American Getaway 400 presented by VISITPA, Sunday, 3 p.m., Prime
  • Cup Picks
    • James: Bubba Wallace
    • Eric: Erik Jones

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Podcast: Let’s appreciate Denny Hamlin’s greatness while he’s here

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Show notes:

Recap: Nashville

Cup: Cracker Barrel 400

  • Denny Hamlin goes from first, to last, to first in a JGR thriller
  • Toyotas are just on one
  • SVG is the new JPM
  • Crashes at Nashville are a thing
    • Austin Dillon wipes out Brad

O’Reilly: Sports Illustrated Reports 250

  • Justin Allgaier wins
  • Hints at retirement but says he’s coming back for 2027

Trucks: Allegiance 200

  • Layne Riggs wins again
  • Had to rally back from losing a number of positions on pit strategy 

Discussion Topics

Checkered flags and black flags

Preview: Michigan

  • Weekend Schedule (times are ET):
    • Craftsman Truck Series: DQS Solutions & Staffing 250, Saturday, 1:30 p.m., FS1
    • O’Reilly Auto Parts Series: Off
    • Cup Series: FireKeepers Casino 400, Sunday, 3 p.m., Prime
  • Cup Picks
    • Eric: Ty Gibbs
    • James: Chris Buescher

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Podcast: Kyle Busch’s legacy celebrated during Coca-Cola 600

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Show notes:

Remembering Kyle Busch:

  • 234 National Series Wins
  • 69 Truck Series Wins
  • 102 O’Reilly Series Wins
    • 2009 O’Reilly Series Champion
  • 63 Cup Series Wins
    • 2015 and 2019 Cup Series Champion
  • Richard Childress suspends use of #8
    • Car will use 33 going forward
    • 8 will be saved for Brexton
  • NASCAR considering putting him in the Hall of Fame in 2027. 
  • Chase Elliott in favor of Kyle winning Most Popular Driver

Recap: Charlotte

Cup: Coca-Cola 600

  • Daniel Suarez wins rain-shortened race
  • First time ever that all three races in a weekend have been shortened
  • Sold out

O’Reilly: Charbroil 300

  • Ross Chastain wins
  • 54 of the 91 laps were run under caution
  • Race ended with 17-lap caution that took it to the end of the second stage, making it official

Trucks: North Carolina Education Lottery 300

  • Layne Riggs wins
  • Race was shortened .. because of another race over 400 miles away on another network

Discussion Topics

Checkered flags and black flags

Preview: Nashville

  • Weekend Schedule (times are ET):
    • Craftsman Truck Series: Allegiance 200, Friday, 8 p.m., FS1
    • O’Reilly Auto Parts Series: Sports Illustrated Reports 250, Saturday, 7:30 p.m., CW
    • Cup Series: Cracker Barrel 400, Sunday, 7 p.m., Prime
  • Cup Picks
    • James: Carson Hocevar
    • Eric: Ross Chastain

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Podcast: NASCAR All Star Race should not return to Dover

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Show notes:

Recap: Dover

Cup: NASCAR All Star Race

  • Denny Hamlin dominates
  • So what part WAS the All Star Race?
  • Two first segment wrecks take out some all stars
  • Did the Dover All Star experiment fail?
  • What should NASCAR do with the All Star Race going forward?

O’Reilly: BetRivers 200

  • Corey Day gets second win
  • Allgaier unhappy with lapped driver 
  • Rajah throws it away

Trucks: ECOSAVE 200

  • The old KFB returns
  • Natalie Decker radio meltdown

Discussion Topics

  • Chicago Street Course could return in 2027?
    • Is Chicagoland one and done?
    • Could there be a rotation?
    • Could they visit both tracks?
  • Parker Kligerman is racing the RAM truck at Michigan
  • Kevin Harvick and Jeff Burton named to NASCAR Hall of Fame
    • #NASCAR @KevinHarvick becomes just the FIFTH @NASCARHall member to receive more than 90% of the induction vote (according to available data).
    • Jeff Gordon – 96% (’19)
    • Robert Yates – 94% (’18)
    • David Pearson – 94% (’11)
    • Jimmie Johnson – 93% (’24)
    • Kevin Harvick – 92% (’27) 
  • Bianchi’s Silly Season updates
    • #8
      • Kyle Busch likely to stay at RCR
      • Jesse Love if Kyle Busch leaves?
    • #48
      • Does Bowman come back? 
      • Will Corey Day take over the 48 next season? The season after?
      • Connor Zilisch is rumored for this ride. Still has another year with Trackhouse
    • RFK (#6, #17, #60)
      • Brad says all three drivers will likely return
      • Third charter issue
    • #7
      • Looking more and more likely Suarez is staying
    • #71
      • McDowell’s contract is up. Could that ride go to Busch? Someone else? Does McDowell return?
    • #84
      • Riley Herbst is the leading candidate
    • #35
      • Corey Heim is the leading candidate
    • Other names to watch for: Josh Berry, Austin Cindric, Sheldon Creed, Ty Dillon, Front Row Motorsports, Todd Gilliland, Noah Gragson, Kaulig Racing, Sam Mayer, Chandler Smith.

Checkered flags and black flags

Preview: Charlotte

  • Weekend Schedule (times are ET):
    • Craftsman Truck Series: North Carolina Education Lottery 300, Friday, 7:30 p.m., FS1
    • O’Reilly Auto Parts Series: Charbroil 300, Saturday, 5 p.m., CW
    • Cup Series: Coca-Cola 600, Sunday, 6 p.m., Prime
  • Cup Picks
    • Eric: Tyler Reddick
    • James: Carson Hocevar

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Episode 400: SVG’s Watkins Whoopin’

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Recap: Watkins Glen

Cup: Go Bowling at the Glen

  • SVG storms through the field.
    • Erases a 29.2-second deficit and wins by over 7 seconds.
  • Is he the best on the road ever?
    • Even competition of today vs the cars of yesterday.
  • SVG is currently in the Chase
  • Great run for McDowell (Winner of the B-Class)
  • Carson dumps Josh Berry
  • Hendrick has fallen behind on road courses
  • Some safety issues and lack of views from Fox plagued the entire race
    • Fox can capture a flying tent but not multiple hard crashes?

O’Reilly: Mission 200

  • Connor Zilisch shows no Love

Trucks: BullyHill Vineyards 176

  • Kaden Honeycutt gets over the hump.
    • Wins in ARCA and CARS too

Discussion Topics

Checkered flags and black flags

Preview: Dover All-Star Weekend

  • Weekend Schedule (times are ET):
    • Craftsman Truck Series: ECOSAVE 200, Friday 5 p.m., FS1
    • O’Reilly Auto Parts Series: BetRivers 200, Saturday, 4 p.m. CW 
    • Cup Series: NASCAR All-Star Race, Sunday, 1 p.m., FS1
  • Cup Picks
    • James: Larson
    • Eric: Joey Logano

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Podcast: Chase Elliott takes Texas

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Show notes:

Recap: Texas

Cup: Wurth 400

  • Chase Elliott survives a wild day in Texas 
  • Trouble for many contenders throughout the day
    • Ty Gibbs, Larson, Logano, Briscoe
    • Preece wrecks Gibbs after crashout on the radio
  • Kyle Busch forces us to talk about him again. Has a great day then wrecks JHN
  • Fun day for Corey Heim 
  • Is Texas a must-watch?

O’Reilly: Andy’s Frozen Custard 340

  • Larson has a fun day in the O.
  • Battles were really good again

Trucks: Speedycash DOT com 250

  • Ride the Dente strikes again

Discussion Topics

  • Tony Stewart and Kevin Harvick are plotting to return to trucks together in 2027.
    • Not Daytona
  • Jimmie Johnson will race his final race in the 13 car. The third driver will run the 84 in 2027.
  • RFK seeking a charter for 2027 for the 60 car
  • Jeff Dickerson spills the beans to Jeff Gluck on the Gabehart situation
  • Coronado gets new turns, new name (Qualcomm Circuit), question whether race will happen in the midst of war

Checkered flags and black flags

Preview: Watkins Glen

  • Weekend Schedule (times are ET):
    • Craftsman Truck Series:BullyHill Vineyards 176, Friday 4:30 p.m., FS1
    • O’Reilly Auto Parts Series: Mission 200, Saturday, 4 p.m. CW 
    • Cup Series: Go Bowling at the Glen, Sunday, 3 p.m., FS1
  • New track limits at the Glen
    • Tire packs outside turn one
  • Cup Picks
    • Eric: Shane Van Gisbergen
    • James: Chris Buescher

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